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  • Aug 15, 2023 | abc.net.au | Ariel Bogle |Stephen Hutcheon |Benjamin Sveen |Michael Workman |Ingrid Wagner |Leila Shunnar | +3 more

    Alice Brennan: Hey there, Alice Brennan here -- and welcome to Background Briefing. Ariel Bogle: Is there a flavour that's kind of like a white whale, impossible to master? Paul Blamire: You mean the Holy Grail? Ariel Bogle: Yeah. Paul Blamire: Yep. Sure is, tiramisu. Impossible to do because of the layers right now. Ariel Bogle: Ahh. Paul Blamire: How are you gonna get the coffee soaked cake, the liqueurs in layers, to sit the way you want it to sit?

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